1 00:00:04,190 --> 00:00:01,309 foreign 2 00:00:06,010 --> 00:00:04,200 this is David Marler UFO researcher and 3 00:00:09,890 --> 00:00:06,020 you're listening to that UFO podcast 4 00:00:12,290 --> 00:00:09,900 [Music] 5 00:00:14,629 --> 00:00:12,300 hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO 6 00:00:17,330 --> 00:00:14,639 podcast my name is Andy and we're into 7 00:00:19,730 --> 00:00:17,340 the breakdown part 2 or grush Hour part 8 00:00:20,870 --> 00:00:19,740 two as I'm affectionately calling this 9 00:00:23,929 --> 00:00:20,880 yeah 10 00:00:25,250 --> 00:00:23,939 um Dan welcome for this part I am going 11 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:25,260 to sound like I'm all over the place 12 00:00:30,170 --> 00:00:28,380 here because it's incredibly hot the UK 13 00:00:34,130 --> 00:00:30,180 is in the midst of the worst Heat Wave 14 00:00:36,530 --> 00:00:34,140 since the last one and yeah yeah since 15 00:00:39,290 --> 00:00:36,540 the last Heatwave we had it's uh 25 16 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:39,300 degrees but in the shed I think I'm not 17 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:40,800 exaggerating when I say it's closer at 18 00:00:45,470 --> 00:00:43,200 35 probably 19 00:00:47,690 --> 00:00:45,480 um I have for the YouTube viewers hi a 20 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:47,700 frozen bottle of water down my back and 21 00:00:51,410 --> 00:00:49,860 I won't scar you with it but I have a 22 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:51,420 hot water bottle filled with cold water 23 00:00:55,010 --> 00:00:53,280 which has been partially frozen up my 24 00:00:57,770 --> 00:00:55,020 t-shirt so there is there for YouTube 25 00:00:59,869 --> 00:00:57,780 viewers if I sound a bit rambly it's 26 00:01:01,850 --> 00:00:59,879 just the Heat and lack of oxygen so yeah 27 00:01:03,470 --> 00:01:01,860 this is the big books from the podcast 28 00:01:06,050 --> 00:01:03,480 giving you like good aircon and stuff 29 00:01:08,450 --> 00:01:06,060 right 100 I may have to invest in an air 30 00:01:12,850 --> 00:01:08,460 conditioning unit folks yeah so um I'm 31 00:01:16,969 --> 00:01:14,750 they're very loud 32 00:01:19,130 --> 00:01:16,979 yeah oh yeah I worry that if I plugged 33 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:19,140 one in I don't have a Mains unit in this 34 00:01:23,210 --> 00:01:21,360 room either it's a uh extension from the 35 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:23,220 house so it might blow up 36 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:25,860 um yeah and yeah so it would be very 37 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:27,360 useful though because it's incredibly 38 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:29,640 warm but anyway for the couple of weeks 39 00:01:32,749 --> 00:01:31,259 of the year that it's too hot it then 40 00:01:33,710 --> 00:01:32,759 gets too cold and people are seeing 41 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:33,720 they've got hot water bottles and 42 00:01:37,249 --> 00:01:35,280 everything so here we are 43 00:01:40,370 --> 00:01:37,259 um breaking news first hot off the press 44 00:01:42,530 --> 00:01:40,380 as we talk no pun intended Avila web 45 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:42,540 done you've just seen uh and the Galileo 46 00:01:47,569 --> 00:01:44,280 project which I've just realized sounds 47 00:01:49,429 --> 00:01:47,579 like an incredible 80s synth band and 48 00:01:51,889 --> 00:01:49,439 the Galileo project Brian Cox can play 49 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:51,899 keyboard yeah with their Interstellar 50 00:01:55,010 --> 00:01:53,520 dregs 51 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:55,020 um because they have been dredging the 52 00:01:58,370 --> 00:01:57,060 bottom of the Pacific Ocean and where 53 00:02:00,109 --> 00:01:58,380 they believe they've found the site of 54 00:02:02,090 --> 00:02:00,119 the first Interstellar meteor that was 55 00:02:04,130 --> 00:02:02,100 in the news quite a while ago Avi was 56 00:02:06,850 --> 00:02:04,140 very keen to get a team there to say can 57 00:02:08,930 --> 00:02:06,860 we recover this because if we know this 58 00:02:10,910 --> 00:02:08,940 extraterrestrial object we're not saying 59 00:02:12,830 --> 00:02:10,920 alien although it literally as alien in 60 00:02:14,330 --> 00:02:12,840 that sense yeah and has crashed them 61 00:02:16,309 --> 00:02:14,340 into the ocean has hit there we should 62 00:02:18,410 --> 00:02:16,319 go and get that you know it's got 63 00:02:20,330 --> 00:02:18,420 incredible minerals you know a potential 64 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:20,340 different properties we should study 65 00:02:24,949 --> 00:02:22,440 from a scientific point of view 66 00:02:27,470 --> 00:02:24,959 um and Avia put on a Blog today the link 67 00:02:30,229 --> 00:02:27,480 will be in the the chat that uh today 68 00:02:32,330 --> 00:02:30,239 and I'll quote Ryan wheat and Jeff Wynn 69 00:02:34,490 --> 00:02:32,340 analyzed in detail this unexpected wire 70 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:34,500 and concluded that its composition is 71 00:02:38,990 --> 00:02:36,720 anomalous Cooper had a human-made Alloys 72 00:02:41,509 --> 00:02:39,000 for the composition analysis Ryan used 73 00:02:43,850 --> 00:02:41,519 the X-ray fluorescence analyzer uh 74 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:43,860 manufactured by Brooker who's CEO Frank 75 00:02:49,790 --> 00:02:46,500 lokian is co-founded with me the Galileo 76 00:02:52,430 --> 00:02:49,800 project Ryan concluded that isi 2 which 77 00:02:54,589 --> 00:02:52,440 I think is Interstellar or so is one two 78 00:02:56,809 --> 00:02:54,599 Interstellar one two has two composition 79 00:02:58,430 --> 00:02:56,819 Peaks at magnesium and platinum 80 00:03:00,110 --> 00:02:58,440 yeah I think people have probably 81 00:03:02,390 --> 00:03:00,120 switched off at that point essentially 82 00:03:04,490 --> 00:03:02,400 they found a little wire in the the 83 00:03:06,229 --> 00:03:04,500 dredging of the bottom of the ocean that 84 00:03:09,050 --> 00:03:06,239 they believe is anomalous in the way 85 00:03:11,149 --> 00:03:09,060 it's made up and its properties Dan to 86 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:11,159 make this very unscientific for the 87 00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:12,480 majority of folks who are listening to 88 00:03:17,089 --> 00:03:15,120 this like me who would understand this 89 00:03:18,229 --> 00:03:17,099 um is reported it's a sample it's a 90 00:03:20,030 --> 00:03:18,239 little bit of something they believe 91 00:03:21,890 --> 00:03:20,040 it's from the meteor it's like a little 92 00:03:24,170 --> 00:03:21,900 wire that's only it's eight millimeters 93 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:24,180 in in size Etc eight millimeters yeah 94 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:26,400 pretty small and uh we hear about 95 00:03:32,270 --> 00:03:29,700 isotopic ratios and metals are proper 96 00:03:35,930 --> 00:03:32,280 Metals with various properties recovered 97 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:35,940 from potential crashed craft you know at 98 00:03:39,410 --> 00:03:38,040 craft and and they're layered in a 99 00:03:41,149 --> 00:03:39,420 certain way that doesn't make sense to 100 00:03:43,130 --> 00:03:41,159 us or it's very hard to do here on Earth 101 00:03:45,289 --> 00:03:43,140 if not impossible 102 00:03:47,690 --> 00:03:45,299 um what what do you see from your second 103 00:03:50,030 --> 00:03:47,700 scientific mindset when you look at this 104 00:03:51,949 --> 00:03:50,040 report from Avi it's really interesting 105 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:51,959 for one just that you know they're on 106 00:03:55,490 --> 00:03:53,519 site and they're being so transparent 107 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:55,500 about this already people were worried 108 00:03:59,270 --> 00:03:57,360 about how transparent they are going to 109 00:04:00,649 --> 00:03:59,280 be as a project and in the past week 110 00:04:01,970 --> 00:04:00,659 we've seen they have a Times Square 111 00:04:03,589 --> 00:04:01,980 billboard that they're just going to put 112 00:04:05,390 --> 00:04:03,599 all the results up so this piece has 113 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:05,400 probably been shown off on there and 114 00:04:08,390 --> 00:04:06,720 they're really coming out swinging after 115 00:04:10,429 --> 00:04:08,400 after Arrow you know is kind of holding 116 00:04:11,750 --> 00:04:10,439 its card close to his chest Galilei was 117 00:04:13,070 --> 00:04:11,760 kind of going hey this is what we found 118 00:04:15,589 --> 00:04:13,080 we don't know where it is yet but here 119 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:15,599 it is you know Workforce coming it's 120 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:17,100 going to be amazing seeing the analysis 121 00:04:21,890 --> 00:04:19,560 of stuff like this because Abby his idea 122 00:04:24,350 --> 00:04:21,900 was that these objects from outside of 123 00:04:26,150 --> 00:04:24,360 our solar system could very well be you 124 00:04:28,550 --> 00:04:26,160 know derelict machines or technology 125 00:04:29,810 --> 00:04:28,560 From Another World so it's really 126 00:04:31,670 --> 00:04:29,820 intriguing that they found a wire 127 00:04:33,710 --> 00:04:31,680 because that's you know in one way 128 00:04:35,330 --> 00:04:33,720 that's a very human construct right we 129 00:04:37,550 --> 00:04:35,340 would expect that to be a human piece of 130 00:04:39,590 --> 00:04:37,560 technology but again we don't know what 131 00:04:41,150 --> 00:04:39,600 a UFO is going to look like inside and 132 00:04:43,790 --> 00:04:41,160 that's what we do we kind of have to 133 00:04:45,110 --> 00:04:43,800 take these things seriously what they're 134 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:45,120 doing is essentially dragging a big 135 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:47,280 Magna across the ocean floor then 136 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:50,280 meteorite is magnetic so it should stick 137 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:52,740 to the plate that's the idea but instead 138 00:04:56,749 --> 00:04:55,440 of you know the bits of rocks and stuff 139 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:56,759 like that they've dragged up this bit of 140 00:05:00,409 --> 00:04:58,680 wire so it's really intriguing there 141 00:05:02,090 --> 00:05:00,419 could be something down there right we 142 00:05:03,830 --> 00:05:02,100 could essentially 143 00:05:05,810 --> 00:05:03,840 probably get another show like 144 00:05:07,909 --> 00:05:05,820 Skinwalker Ranch out of this if they if 145 00:05:09,650 --> 00:05:07,919 they were you know so fit but I I would 146 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:09,660 hope for like a you know a one hour 147 00:05:12,770 --> 00:05:11,280 special kind of detailing everything 148 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:12,780 that he's doing and really going in 149 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:14,040 depth I think that would be the way to 150 00:05:17,930 --> 00:05:15,900 go yeah and and just before I go on I 151 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:17,940 just want to say so I'm currently in 152 00:05:21,230 --> 00:05:19,680 Asheville really near the Brown Mountain 153 00:05:22,430 --> 00:05:21,240 Lights and I had the pleasure of filming 154 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:22,440 them the other day they were spectacular 155 00:05:25,610 --> 00:05:24,240 I'll show you that video but there were 156 00:05:27,950 --> 00:05:25,620 a few people there that I met but I just 157 00:05:30,110 --> 00:05:27,960 wanted to give a little shout out to 158 00:05:31,670 --> 00:05:30,120 um so firstly chat to Willow Meadow on 159 00:05:33,050 --> 00:05:31,680 the east coast thank you for you know 160 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:33,060 taking up the mantle of the googly eyes 161 00:05:35,629 --> 00:05:34,080 and sticking them everywhere their 162 00:05:37,850 --> 00:05:35,639 parents hate me now 163 00:05:40,189 --> 00:05:37,860 um and uh Jill and Selena from the Black 164 00:05:42,469 --> 00:05:40,199 Cat report they cover things like uh 165 00:05:44,450 --> 00:05:42,479 historic UFO cases and they do a really 166 00:05:46,070 --> 00:05:44,460 good job of it like lesser known ones so 167 00:05:48,290 --> 00:05:46,080 I'd recommend everyone kind of go go 168 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:48,300 check those out and also a big shout out 169 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:50,460 to Elaine who the the elderly lady I met 170 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:52,080 there who shared her her story about 171 00:05:56,510 --> 00:05:54,360 seeing a saucer an orange glowing saucer 172 00:05:57,710 --> 00:05:56,520 up close about 60 years ago so I just 173 00:05:59,689 --> 00:05:57,720 wanted to say hi 174 00:06:01,430 --> 00:05:59,699 and all of you have contributed to me 175 00:06:03,770 --> 00:06:01,440 feeling much more uncomfortable as the 176 00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:03,780 air flow reduces in the shed so thanks 177 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:04,800 for that 178 00:06:08,870 --> 00:06:06,960 um hi if you are listening you better be 179 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:08,880 after they shouted Joe and I'm going to 180 00:06:12,350 --> 00:06:09,840 breathe 181 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:12,360 um but then on to the beginners then so 182 00:06:15,350 --> 00:06:14,160 um we said last week on the breakdown 183 00:06:17,450 --> 00:06:15,360 and thanks to everyone who listened 184 00:06:18,710 --> 00:06:17,460 viewed shared All That Jazz and I know 185 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:18,720 there'll be some new folks listening 186 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:20,580 from a few big BBC interviewers I've 187 00:06:25,129 --> 00:06:22,500 managed to get on last week on radio and 188 00:06:28,370 --> 00:06:25,139 a few people have been in touch so hello 189 00:06:30,770 --> 00:06:28,380 um David grush had his 190 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:30,780 home not at homecoming Christ that's the 191 00:06:34,870 --> 00:06:33,120 wrong word has has coming out that's 192 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:34,880 probably also the wrong word 193 00:06:39,770 --> 00:06:38,160 yeah his special yeah but um he made 194 00:06:41,749 --> 00:06:39,780 himself known to the world didn't end 195 00:06:43,189 --> 00:06:41,759 quite a spectacular way through Ross 196 00:06:44,809 --> 00:06:43,199 Colter Leslie Kane Ralph Plumbing 197 00:06:46,670 --> 00:06:44,819 followed the debrief 198 00:06:50,270 --> 00:06:46,680 um and need to know podcast and news 199 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:50,280 Nation who showed his uh his story we 200 00:06:53,629 --> 00:06:51,840 said at the time we would cover it but 201 00:06:55,790 --> 00:06:53,639 then come back this week and look at 202 00:06:57,409 --> 00:06:55,800 things a few days on from the one hour 203 00:06:58,490 --> 00:06:57,419 special that was going to be filmed on 204 00:07:00,469 --> 00:06:58,500 those Nations so we're going to jump 205 00:07:02,510 --> 00:07:00,479 around some of those comments I wonder 206 00:07:03,950 --> 00:07:02,520 how much has happened yeah yeah it's 207 00:07:05,510 --> 00:07:03,960 been good that we've left it as much as 208 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:05,520 it's nice to record at the time and I do 209 00:07:09,590 --> 00:07:07,560 like doing that it does give us a kind 210 00:07:11,629 --> 00:07:09,600 of a bit of a view um if I had more time 211 00:07:13,490 --> 00:07:11,639 we would have done this and the one 212 00:07:15,650 --> 00:07:13,500 earlier in the week anyway first thing 213 00:07:17,749 --> 00:07:15,660 to First up um this seven hours of 214 00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:17,759 material that has kind of been floating 215 00:07:21,950 --> 00:07:19,800 about people have heard that Roscoe 216 00:07:24,890 --> 00:07:21,960 third filmed he did film for seven hours 217 00:07:26,809 --> 00:07:24,900 with David grush back in May 218 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:26,819 um however it's been cleared up it was 219 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:28,680 two settings like in a three hour and 220 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:31,440 four hour session much of the sessions 221 00:07:34,909 --> 00:07:33,120 kind of overlapped and they covered the 222 00:07:37,129 --> 00:07:34,919 same things they went back over things 223 00:07:39,170 --> 00:07:37,139 so from what they've said you've had the 224 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:39,180 one hour special from that material on 225 00:07:44,809 --> 00:07:42,000 those Nation Ross and Bryce from what I 226 00:07:47,749 --> 00:07:44,819 gather from what they said as around 90 227 00:07:50,029 --> 00:07:47,759 minutes to 120 minutes left of footage 228 00:07:52,249 --> 00:07:50,039 that would be worth showing because that 229 00:07:53,870 --> 00:07:52,259 seven hours included posies redoing 230 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:53,880 things going back over the same story 231 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:55,919 that was told previously 232 00:07:59,629 --> 00:07:57,060 um that wouldn't be worth showing again 233 00:08:01,430 --> 00:07:59,639 so Ross has said there's going to be 234 00:08:03,950 --> 00:08:01,440 um somewhere they're going to get that 235 00:08:05,089 --> 00:08:03,960 90 minutes to 120 Minutes put out 236 00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:05,099 um I I think they're going to probably 237 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:07,680 go for a streaming service if not that 238 00:08:11,809 --> 00:08:09,960 um maybe another news partner for it 239 00:08:14,809 --> 00:08:11,819 maybe one of the ones who didn't take up 240 00:08:17,689 --> 00:08:14,819 first option however fair play to news 241 00:08:20,029 --> 00:08:17,699 Nation never had the first one but as a 242 00:08:22,309 --> 00:08:20,039 you know is it fair to give them the 243 00:08:23,210 --> 00:08:22,319 second lot if they wanted it or should 244 00:08:24,830 --> 00:08:23,220 you try and get it on the biggest 245 00:08:27,529 --> 00:08:24,840 platform possible that's that's up to 246 00:08:29,689 --> 00:08:27,539 Ross uh of course along with Bryce who 247 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:29,699 has taken partner that's kind of the arm 248 00:08:32,329 --> 00:08:31,199 wrestle here as well isn't it like they 249 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:32,339 could just put her out on the YouTube 250 00:08:36,290 --> 00:08:34,320 channel you know four or hours of 251 00:08:37,909 --> 00:08:36,300 material or whatever but how many people 252 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:37,919 are going to see that versus getting it 253 00:08:40,909 --> 00:08:39,360 somewhere like the Washington Post or 254 00:08:43,130 --> 00:08:40,919 even news Nation you know like it's such 255 00:08:45,290 --> 00:08:43,140 a good job covering it that you know I I 256 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:45,300 know it's not mainstream media but they 257 00:08:49,790 --> 00:08:48,360 they covered it in a serious way and I 258 00:08:51,530 --> 00:08:49,800 couldn't fault them so if for us decided 259 00:08:53,030 --> 00:08:51,540 to go with them again hats off to him 260 00:08:55,250 --> 00:08:53,040 you know it's going to get a lot more 261 00:08:57,650 --> 00:08:55,260 views but it's the same as an interview 262 00:08:59,509 --> 00:08:57,660 say Lou Alexander goes to do his first 263 00:09:01,190 --> 00:08:59,519 book interview when it comes out and 264 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:01,200 everyone's going to be very excited for 265 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:03,120 it whether they're looking forward to or 266 00:09:06,230 --> 00:09:04,920 ready to bashler or whatever it might 267 00:09:08,150 --> 00:09:06,240 contain 268 00:09:09,889 --> 00:09:08,160 there will be some people who would be 269 00:09:11,269 --> 00:09:09,899 like oh we can't wait to hear them on 270 00:09:12,949 --> 00:09:11,279 your show Andy you should get it first 271 00:09:14,930 --> 00:09:12,959 some folks will want to hear them was 272 00:09:17,810 --> 00:09:14,940 Ross kiltart some folks will want to 273 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:17,820 hear them you know Kelly Chase but it 274 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:19,200 makes the most sense that you should 275 00:09:24,350 --> 00:09:21,240 probably go on Joe Rogan because Joe 276 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:24,360 Rogan has that audience of millions not 277 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:25,920 tens of thousands not hundreds of 278 00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:27,720 thousands like corbel and nap have as 279 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:29,880 well big platform go on the one with 280 00:09:33,829 --> 00:09:31,920 Millions get it out there to the masses 281 00:09:35,690 --> 00:09:33,839 in the public first then let the 282 00:09:37,130 --> 00:09:35,700 Specialists kind of dig into the nitty 283 00:09:39,410 --> 00:09:37,140 gritty and speak to people who are more 284 00:09:41,630 --> 00:09:39,420 involved in the topic but yeah I totally 285 00:09:43,430 --> 00:09:41,640 understand why someone like that wants 286 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:43,440 to get on that big platform first and 287 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:45,120 can totally respect that and the same 288 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:48,000 with the David grish conversation why 289 00:09:51,889 --> 00:09:50,279 Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal wanted 290 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:51,899 this out on the biggest platform 291 00:09:55,790 --> 00:09:53,940 possible and even Ross like he said 292 00:09:57,829 --> 00:09:55,800 himself no disrespect to the debrief 293 00:09:59,930 --> 00:09:57,839 it's a relatively small platform 294 00:10:01,610 --> 00:09:59,940 compared to those bigger news 295 00:10:03,410 --> 00:10:01,620 conglomerates and that's that's just 296 00:10:04,850 --> 00:10:03,420 facts and the deep breath know that 297 00:10:06,650 --> 00:10:04,860 themselves but they've done a hell of a 298 00:10:08,449 --> 00:10:06,660 job and that's a great place to put that 299 00:10:09,889 --> 00:10:08,459 kind of stuff out as well so so well 300 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:09,899 done to them 301 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:11,880 um Dan so David grishton is one hour 302 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:14,160 interview with Ross kiltart and what 303 00:10:18,769 --> 00:10:16,260 were your overall thoughts 304 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:18,779 I mean it was essentially an extended 305 00:10:22,190 --> 00:10:20,580 version of what we'd seen previously 306 00:10:24,110 --> 00:10:22,200 right like a little one you want so you 307 00:10:25,670 --> 00:10:24,120 got to see David kind of and his body 308 00:10:27,230 --> 00:10:25,680 language and kind of what he was saying 309 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:27,240 and a lot of people have taken different 310 00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:28,860 things from how he was 311 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:30,240 um but we gotta remember that this is 312 00:10:33,769 --> 00:10:32,100 this is a person that dedicated their 313 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:33,779 lives being a patriot so holding that 314 00:10:38,389 --> 00:10:36,720 line and so keeping that information you 315 00:10:40,670 --> 00:10:38,399 know within the bounds of what the 316 00:10:42,050 --> 00:10:40,680 government set out and David's done a 317 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:42,060 really good job in terms of following 318 00:10:45,710 --> 00:10:43,620 the tracks and balances that were set 319 00:10:47,210 --> 00:10:45,720 out and it seems to have gotten to a 320 00:10:49,370 --> 00:10:47,220 point where like you said in the 321 00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:49,380 interview somebody leaked his name and 322 00:10:52,190 --> 00:10:50,760 that's why he had to come out as quickly 323 00:10:54,889 --> 00:10:52,200 as possible because he wanted to get in 324 00:10:56,210 --> 00:10:54,899 front of it so all of these things kind 325 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:56,220 of happening around the same time have 326 00:10:59,990 --> 00:10:57,600 been really interesting you know very 327 00:11:01,550 --> 00:11:00,000 very serendipitous but some of the 328 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:01,560 things that he was saying like for me 329 00:11:06,110 --> 00:11:04,320 the the biggest takeaway was that you 330 00:11:07,370 --> 00:11:06,120 know people have testified to Congress 331 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:07,380 and this is backed up with some 332 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:08,760 statements that officials have come out 333 00:11:14,150 --> 00:11:10,980 this week 334 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:14,160 he had Direct Witnesses and evidence to 335 00:11:17,449 --> 00:11:15,839 pass them like paperwork and things like 336 00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:17,459 that and that's all with the idea now 337 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:18,959 just before we get there right we'll 338 00:11:21,829 --> 00:11:20,640 we'll go through some of the main points 339 00:11:24,110 --> 00:11:21,839 like that I want to ask you first 340 00:11:26,090 --> 00:11:24,120 because this is something that was 341 00:11:28,130 --> 00:11:26,100 called out by a lot of people who were 342 00:11:29,329 --> 00:11:28,140 very skeptical and rightly so with this 343 00:11:31,130 --> 00:11:29,339 sort of thing when it comes out it's 344 00:11:32,449 --> 00:11:31,140 always going to happen in the UFO topic 345 00:11:34,370 --> 00:11:32,459 regardless 346 00:11:36,350 --> 00:11:34,380 um the idea that the dod gave him 347 00:11:39,530 --> 00:11:36,360 permission to say this 348 00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:39,540 why don't the dod just say no 349 00:11:44,030 --> 00:11:42,240 I mean essentially they're there for a 350 00:11:45,470 --> 00:11:44,040 very specific reason they don't get to 351 00:11:46,850 --> 00:11:45,480 say whether something's true or not 352 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:46,860 they're just there to check if something 353 00:11:50,930 --> 00:11:49,320 is classified or unclassified in this 354 00:11:53,090 --> 00:11:50,940 instance the things that David is saying 355 00:11:54,530 --> 00:11:53,100 are unclassified and what's interesting 356 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:54,540 is there's been a few moments in the 357 00:11:57,410 --> 00:11:56,100 interview where you know he was asked 358 00:11:59,870 --> 00:11:57,420 about Roswell and he said I'm not clear 359 00:12:01,310 --> 00:11:59,880 to talk about that yet so it implies 360 00:12:03,230 --> 00:12:01,320 there's something classified about 361 00:12:04,910 --> 00:12:03,240 Roswell that he was told you can't talk 362 00:12:07,069 --> 00:12:04,920 about this and that's really interesting 363 00:12:08,750 --> 00:12:07,079 I want to hear that stuff and that might 364 00:12:10,910 --> 00:12:08,760 just be one thing though isn't it that's 365 00:12:13,550 --> 00:12:10,920 not this or I can blow the Roswell story 366 00:12:15,470 --> 00:12:13,560 wide open that could just be he knows a 367 00:12:17,750 --> 00:12:15,480 very particular thing such as and this 368 00:12:20,449 --> 00:12:17,760 is just me guessing 369 00:12:23,210 --> 00:12:20,459 um he knows the exact location of where 370 00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:23,220 a piece of The Craft is now that that 371 00:12:27,650 --> 00:12:25,260 could be just a piece of it he knows is 372 00:12:29,509 --> 00:12:27,660 with Lockheed Martin for example and 373 00:12:31,850 --> 00:12:29,519 that could but he can't tell you that 374 00:12:33,470 --> 00:12:31,860 because he can't name a private 375 00:12:35,150 --> 00:12:33,480 contractor he's not allowed and that 376 00:12:37,069 --> 00:12:35,160 could be all he's getting at so it's not 377 00:12:38,630 --> 00:12:37,079 a case of I can't talk about Roseville 378 00:12:39,829 --> 00:12:38,640 because of his bodies there was aliens 379 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:39,839 there was a spacecraft 380 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:42,420 that's just what this could be so just 381 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:43,860 to clear that up that's a really good 382 00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:45,240 point and to play Devil's Advocate there 383 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:46,800 as well it could just be that he knows 384 00:12:49,790 --> 00:12:48,240 that it's not a real case and he knows 385 00:12:52,009 --> 00:12:49,800 because they had a specific classified 386 00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:52,019 sensor point of the area at that time so 387 00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:53,279 he wouldn't be able to talk about that 388 00:12:57,170 --> 00:12:55,440 either so we we have to you know keep 389 00:12:59,030 --> 00:12:57,180 these things balanced and talk down the 390 00:13:00,530 --> 00:12:59,040 middle but um but yeah it's been really 391 00:13:01,670 --> 00:13:00,540 interesting seeing what he's allowed to 392 00:13:03,829 --> 00:13:01,680 talk about a lot of people I've seen 393 00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:03,839 have made the point well if this UFO 394 00:13:08,329 --> 00:13:06,720 program is so Uber classified then how 395 00:13:10,850 --> 00:13:08,339 come he can talk about it that should be 396 00:13:13,009 --> 00:13:10,860 classified but in that instance I just 397 00:13:14,810 --> 00:13:13,019 remind people that you know this this 398 00:13:16,910 --> 00:13:14,820 program this Legacy program that we're 399 00:13:18,829 --> 00:13:16,920 alluding to here it seems to be outside 400 00:13:20,629 --> 00:13:18,839 the purview of the law and therefore 401 00:13:23,870 --> 00:13:20,639 that the whole classified unclassified 402 00:13:25,129 --> 00:13:23,880 thing is really shaky when it comes to 403 00:13:27,590 --> 00:13:25,139 classified stuff you know he's not 404 00:13:29,329 --> 00:13:27,600 allowed to mention sources method senses 405 00:13:31,069 --> 00:13:29,339 that kind of stuff and he hasn't he's 406 00:13:32,449 --> 00:13:31,079 been really good with this 407 00:13:33,889 --> 00:13:32,459 um and that's why I really appreciate 408 00:13:34,910 --> 00:13:33,899 the debrief kind of including those 409 00:13:36,590 --> 00:13:34,920 other statements from other 410 00:13:38,150 --> 00:13:36,600 whistleblowers like Jonathan gray you 411 00:13:40,370 --> 00:13:38,160 know the pseudonym that's still working 412 00:13:42,110 --> 00:13:40,380 for for the government 413 00:13:43,670 --> 00:13:42,120 um and also there were a few others that 414 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:43,680 would be mentioned kind of namelessly 415 00:13:47,509 --> 00:13:45,360 that have come forward and you know 416 00:13:50,389 --> 00:13:47,519 given depositions under oath about this 417 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:50,399 direct evidence I'm really excited to 418 00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:52,560 see what the future hearings would look 419 00:13:56,629 --> 00:13:54,240 like because I don't think there will be 420 00:13:58,670 --> 00:13:56,639 many faces that we know in that hearing 421 00:14:00,590 --> 00:13:58,680 it would be people kind of saying no I 422 00:14:02,150 --> 00:14:00,600 worked on this bit of you know metal in 423 00:14:03,470 --> 00:14:02,160 my line of work and it was anomalous and 424 00:14:05,930 --> 00:14:03,480 I didn't know it was for the UAP program 425 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:05,940 and all that kind of stuff I I would 426 00:14:09,949 --> 00:14:07,260 love for the American people to hear 427 00:14:12,170 --> 00:14:09,959 Dave fraver's story again but it's been 428 00:14:14,269 --> 00:14:12,180 documented to high hell here 429 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:14,279 um there was like a really nice 430 00:14:20,329 --> 00:14:18,000 line the Jeremy cobal uh repeated from 431 00:14:21,949 --> 00:14:20,339 Dave fraver and Dave basically text him 432 00:14:24,170 --> 00:14:21,959 this week and said the the US government 433 00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:24,180 is like a is like an alcoholic when it 434 00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:25,920 comes to UFOs you need to admit there's 435 00:14:28,490 --> 00:14:27,600 a problem before you can tackle it I 436 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:28,500 just thought that was a really nice 437 00:14:32,449 --> 00:14:30,480 analogy 438 00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:32,459 a question for you Dan and I've still 439 00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:34,079 been forming it okay I wrote this down a 440 00:14:37,129 --> 00:14:36,000 few days ago and hopefully it makes 441 00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:37,139 sense right 442 00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:40,079 you're the head engineer in the engine 443 00:14:44,750 --> 00:14:42,720 room okay whatever that may be called of 444 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,760 a massive cruise ship okay 445 00:14:49,550 --> 00:14:46,800 and you are out in the middle of the 446 00:14:51,290 --> 00:14:49,560 ocean and you and one or two of your 447 00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:51,300 fellow Engineers who are working the 448 00:14:55,610 --> 00:14:53,279 propulsion system find out that just 449 00:14:59,389 --> 00:14:55,620 because of a reason 450 00:15:01,550 --> 00:14:59,399 that ship could blow up at any time 451 00:15:04,730 --> 00:15:01,560 you can't call for help okay I'm not 452 00:15:08,210 --> 00:15:04,740 allowing you that in this situation but 453 00:15:09,769 --> 00:15:08,220 would you knowing that you could keep an 454 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:09,779 eye on it and there's every chance it 455 00:15:14,990 --> 00:15:12,720 won't and just keep doing your job you 456 00:15:16,730 --> 00:15:15,000 make your destination would you tell the 457 00:15:19,730 --> 00:15:16,740 captain would you tell the people on 458 00:15:21,710 --> 00:15:19,740 board would you panic everyone or would 459 00:15:24,290 --> 00:15:21,720 you just keep it amongst your small 460 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,300 isolated engine room and let it carry on 461 00:15:28,129 --> 00:15:26,160 to its destination with your kind of 462 00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:28,139 fingers crossed I like that question 463 00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:29,519 because it kind of highlights the gray 464 00:15:33,050 --> 00:15:31,199 area and all this stuff right like you 465 00:15:34,490 --> 00:15:33,060 can you can be positive and mean the 466 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:34,500 best whilst also doing the thing that's 467 00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:36,000 worse for people and they will have your 468 00:15:39,050 --> 00:15:36,959 head for 469 00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:39,060 I would probably try and keep Panic to a 470 00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:41,040 minimum and you know deal with it within 471 00:15:43,850 --> 00:15:42,480 the engine room if the captain had to be 472 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:43,860 involved he would be but I imagine the 473 00:15:47,090 --> 00:15:45,420 captain would keep them you know Panic 474 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:47,100 to a minimum as well 475 00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,660 um a real life version of that I guess 476 00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:50,639 is Titanic right like they saw the 477 00:15:53,569 --> 00:15:52,079 iceberg a number of people reported it 478 00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:53,579 it didn't get where it needed to go and 479 00:15:57,470 --> 00:15:55,260 and you know it was kept last minute 480 00:15:58,370 --> 00:15:57,480 until it was you know the ship was 481 00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:58,380 sinking and everyone was trying to get 482 00:16:01,490 --> 00:16:00,000 on my lifeboats 483 00:16:02,810 --> 00:16:01,500 um yeah you you kind of have to make the 484 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,820 best decisions along the way and 485 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:04,560 minimizing panic and therefore 486 00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:06,240 minimizing distraction and anything else 487 00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:07,560 going wrong and making the situation 488 00:16:12,110 --> 00:16:10,139 worse would be the ideal situation 489 00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:12,120 yeah it's just something that came in my 490 00:16:15,889 --> 00:16:14,399 head thinking about the why keep this a 491 00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:15,899 secret and with people like this coming 492 00:16:20,810 --> 00:16:18,180 forward is there a very small group 493 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:20,820 sitting there or maybe not there now but 494 00:16:24,590 --> 00:16:22,620 from the beginning who thought 495 00:16:26,269 --> 00:16:24,600 we know things we shouldn't or we are 496 00:16:28,129 --> 00:16:26,279 just discovering things that we don't 497 00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:28,139 want other folks to know for for various 498 00:16:32,269 --> 00:16:30,180 reasons forgetting that some people are 499 00:16:33,769 --> 00:16:32,279 very a vocal minority you know we 500 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:33,779 deserve to know the truth and whenever 501 00:16:38,689 --> 00:16:35,760 you sit on that argument is is valid 502 00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:38,699 regardless but maybe there are reasons 503 00:16:42,410 --> 00:16:40,079 that some of this stuff doesn't come out 504 00:16:44,329 --> 00:16:42,420 and that sort of gets touched on a 505 00:16:45,530 --> 00:16:44,339 little bit within some of David grisha's 506 00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:45,540 comments 507 00:16:50,569 --> 00:16:48,060 um particularly being that some species 508 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:50,579 are non-human intelligencies are not so 509 00:16:56,329 --> 00:16:53,160 good and others are nicer and that's not 510 00:16:59,090 --> 00:16:56,339 a no a new thing and to be fair has 511 00:17:01,790 --> 00:16:59,100 David grish said anything really that 512 00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:01,800 was brand new 513 00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:04,559 a wow claim a lot of it was things and 514 00:17:07,970 --> 00:17:06,240 this isn't a detrimental comment that we 515 00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:07,980 have heard before in the UFO Topic in 516 00:17:11,689 --> 00:17:10,079 conversation some folks use that against 517 00:17:13,069 --> 00:17:11,699 David grush as a way to kind of 518 00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,079 invalidate his claims which I don't 519 00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:15,360 believe is fair because he's saying that 520 00:17:20,210 --> 00:17:17,579 he has seen direct evidence of this 521 00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:20,220 within the documents he's he's reading 522 00:17:23,870 --> 00:17:21,900 and and they were they were friends of 523 00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,880 his as well that he knew for decades 524 00:17:26,870 --> 00:17:25,199 that come forward to him and said hey 525 00:17:28,370 --> 00:17:26,880 now you're doing this I kind of have to 526 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,380 share this with you and that must have 527 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:30,480 been shattering for him as a person to 528 00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:32,820 realize that friends had you know a 529 00:17:35,930 --> 00:17:34,860 secret this big that wasn't being spoken 530 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:35,940 about 531 00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:38,160 um David at one point said that he is 532 00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:39,960 one of tens of hundreds who wants this 533 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:41,880 out and that is so encouraging because 534 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:43,740 that number's just growing every day and 535 00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:45,660 we we hear about that Collins Elite you 536 00:17:49,730 --> 00:17:48,000 you know that kind of religious slant on 537 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,740 this whole thing that some kind of 538 00:17:53,870 --> 00:17:52,320 religious I'm gonna say extremist but I 539 00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:53,880 don't really mean extremists and it just 540 00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,440 you know really heavily religious folk 541 00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:58,080 yeah um devout folk I'll say 542 00:18:00,590 --> 00:17:59,400 um that they didn't want this out 543 00:18:01,970 --> 00:18:00,600 because they thought it demonic and 544 00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,980 things like that I like that we're 545 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:03,360 getting past that Superstition now 546 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,280 because Superstition has no place in 547 00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,440 science you know there's no magic 548 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:09,600 qualities like when we talk about how 549 00:18:13,549 --> 00:18:11,700 magical vinyl sounds compared to CDs 550 00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,559 that's there's an effect there you can 551 00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:15,360 replicate that it's not magic 552 00:18:18,529 --> 00:18:16,740 um you just have to apply the science to 553 00:18:19,970 --> 00:18:18,539 it and you can do that so I'm excited 554 00:18:21,409 --> 00:18:19,980 that we get into that point you know the 555 00:18:23,570 --> 00:18:21,419 Snowballs building 556 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:23,580 so to fire through some of the comments 557 00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,880 at the 1933 crash recovery and which was 558 00:18:30,770 --> 00:18:28,799 in Italy Mussolini's government it 559 00:18:32,930 --> 00:18:30,780 wasn't a new case people some people 560 00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,940 have heard about this one before so this 561 00:18:36,590 --> 00:18:34,559 wasn't one that was hidden away in the 562 00:18:39,529 --> 00:18:36,600 archives anywhere but he confirmed that 563 00:18:42,529 --> 00:18:39,539 was the first known case of a crashed 564 00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:42,539 craft that was eventually recovered in 565 00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:44,940 part by the US after the war I'm right 566 00:18:47,870 --> 00:18:46,740 in the said yeah yeah it's kind of 567 00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:47,880 between the two because a lot of people 568 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:50,100 attributed to the the Nazis but we're 569 00:18:53,690 --> 00:18:51,840 kind of a bit before that then right 570 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:53,700 like it's not kicked off in the way that 571 00:18:58,730 --> 00:18:55,740 we we think of when we think of Nazis so 572 00:19:00,289 --> 00:18:58,740 uh yeah and loot spoke about the 1933 573 00:19:01,430 --> 00:19:00,299 case as well so it's interesting that 574 00:19:03,409 --> 00:19:01,440 that's kind of you know being 575 00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,419 essentially backed up I I've started 576 00:19:07,970 --> 00:19:05,520 over the past week to look at grush not 577 00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:07,980 as the 2023 Lou but he's essentially 578 00:19:11,870 --> 00:19:10,559 because he has access to over 2 000 saps 579 00:19:13,789 --> 00:19:11,880 he's the guy that looks after them 580 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:13,799 essentially what we're looking at is 581 00:19:18,830 --> 00:19:17,520 Wilson instead of it you know the guy in 582 00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:18,840 the backseat talking this is Wilson 583 00:19:22,490 --> 00:19:20,340 saying yeah we tried we didn't get 584 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:22,500 access so we we really don't need to 585 00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:23,820 hold on to those Wilson notes as 586 00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,620 preciously now because we have someone 587 00:19:28,490 --> 00:19:27,600 willing to talk who has that kind of 588 00:19:30,890 --> 00:19:28,500 access 589 00:19:33,230 --> 00:19:30,900 yeah you would hope that Wilson mammal 590 00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:33,240 would just end up being another document 591 00:19:37,250 --> 00:19:34,980 in amongst hundreds of other documents 592 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,260 but you still need the additional to go 593 00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:38,880 along with it the photos of the videos 594 00:19:43,630 --> 00:19:41,400 the physical evidence as well 595 00:19:46,490 --> 00:19:43,640 um you mentioned that there were 596 00:19:49,010 --> 00:19:46,500 agreements between the US and non-human 597 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,020 intelligencies that he had had seen 598 00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:51,360 evidence of this again is something that 599 00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:53,940 isn't new but was interesting to hear in 600 00:19:59,570 --> 00:19:56,280 that sort of setting at this point I 601 00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,580 remember watching it and obviously it's 602 00:20:04,669 --> 00:20:01,919 a a lot of Clips put together from a 603 00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:04,679 larger body like we said of recording 604 00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:07,140 this is something that I thought and I 605 00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:08,520 was on the bus to work when I watched it 606 00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:11,100 I was like I'm loving hearing this I'm 607 00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:12,480 loving what I'm getting I love the the 608 00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:14,160 way it's been presented I love that kind 609 00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:16,140 of bang bang bang this is great sound 610 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:18,360 bites for people like us to discuss and 611 00:20:21,409 --> 00:20:19,980 people listening or watching this to 612 00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:21,419 pour over 613 00:20:27,169 --> 00:20:24,360 but I think of the mainstream public is 614 00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:27,179 that a point it gets too much and people 615 00:20:32,690 --> 00:20:30,960 go nah not for me because it suddenly 616 00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,700 becomes ah they might have found some 617 00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:34,320 crash stuff and you know they're talking 618 00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:35,160 about 619 00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,140 maybe that has aliens to all of a sudden 620 00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:39,120 uh the government's got agreements with 621 00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,980 them and I'm not saying that's not true 622 00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:43,200 and that's not happened but is it still 623 00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:45,179 a point that it can be a tipping for 624 00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:46,799 many people to kind of get off the 625 00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:49,140 conversation regardless of the what's 626 00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,520 being presented or how it's being 627 00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:52,559 presented which I thought was great 628 00:20:56,150 --> 00:20:55,080 it was just that moment I was like um is 629 00:20:58,730 --> 00:20:56,160 that the point if you could get the 630 00:21:00,650 --> 00:20:58,740 Nielsen ratings you see a drop off 631 00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,660 yeah you know when you talk to people 632 00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,400 about this stuff there's a moment right 633 00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:04,320 where you you know they'll ask you like 634 00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:05,880 do you believe there are aliens here 635 00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:07,020 that kind of stuff and you have that 636 00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:09,000 conversation and you can recognize when 637 00:21:11,930 --> 00:21:10,620 you've gone too far because that glaze 638 00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:11,940 kind of appears over people's eyes and 639 00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:13,080 that's where you know some people have 640 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:15,720 done it down yeah but over time like 641 00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:17,100 I've learned that you know when that 642 00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:18,600 happens just step away the seeds in 643 00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:19,980 there they're interested you know like 644 00:21:24,169 --> 00:21:22,440 let it sit and simmer you're totally 645 00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:24,179 right I think the kind of you know the 646 00:21:27,650 --> 00:21:26,039 body's stuff would be where people's 647 00:21:30,169 --> 00:21:27,660 eyes glaze over a little bit not because 648 00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:30,179 they think it's you know nonsense but 649 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,780 just because it's so much to go from not 650 00:21:38,090 --> 00:21:36,000 talking about this stuff to oh God the 651 00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:38,100 government has bodies and agreements it 652 00:21:41,930 --> 00:21:40,020 sounds too sci-fi but it doesn't mean 653 00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:41,940 that it is you know these are rumors 654 00:21:46,669 --> 00:21:43,740 that we've heard Time and Time and Time 655 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:46,679 and Time Again in the community and now 656 00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:49,080 we're seeing someone who testified under 657 00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,299 oath with direct evidence about these 658 00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:54,240 things so it's almost like we talked 659 00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:56,280 about before the the slow roll of 660 00:22:00,110 --> 00:21:57,480 disclosure you know this kind of 661 00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:00,120 narrative unfolding slowly it's almost 662 00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:02,220 like David's pushed it a little bit 663 00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:03,900 further so then next time we have the 664 00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:04,860 conversation and there might be 665 00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,539 something even loftier people will kind 666 00:22:09,470 --> 00:22:07,919 of go oh yeah bodies I heard about that 667 00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:09,480 agreements okay that's fine let's carry 668 00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,700 on and another thing will be that glaze 669 00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:13,919 you know it's why I still think that a 670 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,780 way a way way off 671 00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:17,520 and that's this is the thing that upsets 672 00:22:24,190 --> 00:22:20,340 some experiences that conversation 673 00:22:27,289 --> 00:22:24,200 around abductions abductees what happens 674 00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:27,299 and again that's just way down the line 675 00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:28,500 and when people say we need these 676 00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:30,360 conversations happening now it's just 677 00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:31,740 not turning off for too many people 678 00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:33,960 because it's too that you're writing at 679 00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:35,460 the deep end you should still be in the 680 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:36,840 you know the paddling pool where you can 681 00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:38,100 stand up 682 00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:39,780 um exactly it's kind of like No Child 683 00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,640 Left Behind right like everyone needs to 684 00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:43,200 be on this boat it needs to be explained 685 00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:44,820 simply so that when it happens there's 686 00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:47,400 no Panic and riots in the streets and 687 00:22:51,049 --> 00:22:48,840 things like that 688 00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:51,059 um though maybe they will be inevitably 689 00:22:55,549 --> 00:22:53,220 I don't know but it's exciting to see it 690 00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:55,559 going well um unfortunately we heard 691 00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,720 David grish has been harassed and also 692 00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:59,280 had his house broken into that was in 693 00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,140 the follow-up done or need to know with 694 00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,480 Ross Coulter and Bryce Sable 695 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,039 um very much worth checking out their 696 00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,960 kind of post analysis of the interview 697 00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:09,600 as well given it was it was their work I 698 00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,940 think it's fair to say mainly Ross's 699 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:13,679 work but Bryce was involved so that's 700 00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:15,780 you know Ross's Ross's piece obviously 701 00:23:19,330 --> 00:23:18,539 on the back of the article that was done 702 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:19,340 um 703 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:23,760 like Bryce is currently like the reason 704 00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:25,080 he's probably not that involved is 705 00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,580 because he's got a few things kind of on 706 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:27,840 the burner you know Betty and Bonnie 707 00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:29,460 Hill project and things but also there's 708 00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:31,260 the writer strike in Hollywood which he 709 00:23:34,610 --> 00:23:32,940 is a writer so he's supporting that and 710 00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:34,620 empowered to him anyone that's listening 711 00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:35,940 who's a writer keeps standing your 712 00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,500 ground you'll get there 713 00:23:42,770 --> 00:23:39,840 you'll get the millions and um yeah 714 00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:42,780 David grush interview uh sorry after 715 00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,059 that or before it he's been harassed his 716 00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:47,520 house is broken into and they alluded to 717 00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:49,799 the fact that it wasn't necessarily the 718 00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:51,900 government and was most likely a private 719 00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,120 contractor that was unhappy with him 720 00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:55,679 coming forward and 721 00:23:58,909 --> 00:23:57,240 um but they said he's safe because he's 722 00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:58,919 made his stand so public an argument 723 00:24:02,330 --> 00:24:00,780 many had with the Bob Lazar story yeah 724 00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:02,340 that's right that by going out and 725 00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,340 becoming public you you secure your 726 00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:07,200 safety and I think I mentioned before 727 00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:09,000 and and you know touch with God forbid 728 00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,380 something that happened to David grish 729 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,480 even in an accidental form you know got 730 00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:14,880 struck by lightning that would look so 731 00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:17,159 suspicious now because he's put himself 732 00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,840 out there that you know people would 733 00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:20,400 immediately jump on the conspiracy 734 00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:23,159 theory bandwagon like with JFK you know 735 00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:25,260 oh yeah so it was a lone gunman but yeah 736 00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,539 imagine it was but all the other stuff 737 00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,799 was happening in the background anyway 738 00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:31,440 yeah and that's it's uh yeah so I think 739 00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:33,000 he's it has kind of security safety 740 00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:34,620 putting himself out there like that if 741 00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,360 indeed there was a chance of anything 742 00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:39,200 happening in the background 743 00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:41,940 that that goes on I think that's just 744 00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,059 standard that we know yeah exactly and 745 00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:46,559 we've heard some names for who these 746 00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:47,880 private contractors might be you know 747 00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:49,020 we're less talking about people like 748 00:24:53,149 --> 00:24:50,820 Bigelow we're talking more about people 749 00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,159 like Lockheed Martin and you know 750 00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,200 companies like that that go way back and 751 00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:56,880 actually conglomerates of loads of 752 00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,260 different companies who that were kind 753 00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,480 of established roundabouts the Roswell 754 00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:02,640 crash so it's really intriguing that all 755 00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:03,960 of this kind of lines up you know 756 00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:05,820 there's there's a neat narrative and you 757 00:25:09,529 --> 00:25:07,559 know what they say you know uh what is 758 00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:09,539 it Occam's razor you know the the thing 759 00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:10,620 with the least amount of assumptions 760 00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,419 usually turns out to be right and it 761 00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:13,919 certainly for me at least kind of 762 00:25:18,409 --> 00:25:15,480 starting to get towards a timeline where 763 00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:18,419 the simple the simple answer is that 764 00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:20,100 it's something that they've tried to 765 00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,140 hide that is spectacular 766 00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:24,480 and just want to point out I never named 767 00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:26,460 any contractors in that alleged business 768 00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:29,460 and uh Dan is much closer to you than I 769 00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:31,260 am he's based in the US right now so you 770 00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,039 know 771 00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:34,080 I'm confident I'm on the road so my 772 00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:35,640 address is constantly changing you know 773 00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:37,799 they can track your phone 774 00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:39,419 um I'll give out Dan's number that's 775 00:25:43,549 --> 00:25:42,059 fine keep myself safe and um a few other 776 00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:43,559 things that came out of this or just 777 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:45,179 before it sorry I was followed up on 778 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,640 that David grush's legal team had ended 779 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,200 their working relationship that was the 780 00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,360 compass rose Legal Group 781 00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:54,000 um Ross was very quick to offset this by 782 00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:55,559 saying and I think it was fair like many 783 00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:57,720 of us did the fact they had ended their 784 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,140 relationship wasn't a slight on David 785 00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,840 grush and the whole situation it seemed 786 00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:05,760 that one their their work had been done 787 00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:08,340 but two I I imagine their feet were 788 00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:09,659 getting a little bit 789 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:12,299 cold given they were being associated as 790 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,000 a major legal firm with the UFO topic 791 00:26:19,789 --> 00:26:17,700 and all of a sudden it became bodies and 792 00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:19,799 spacecraft and it probably got to the 793 00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:21,000 point they were like look can we end 794 00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:22,440 this working relationship because this 795 00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:23,580 might not be good for future business 796 00:26:27,409 --> 00:26:25,559 for us and you can understand that 797 00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:27,419 that's that's got to be fair 798 00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:29,580 um Ross Coulter did say that the IG 799 00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:31,799 Inspector General involvement really 800 00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,720 does offset any suspicion about the 801 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:35,279 legal team walking away because that 802 00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:37,740 largely confirms the authenticity and 803 00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:39,900 validity of David grisha's claims that 804 00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,940 he's not just making this up you know 805 00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,159 this is this is legit what he's saying 806 00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:46,559 and there are others that can back that 807 00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:49,620 up too yeah yeah 100 uh the thing with 808 00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:50,760 the legal group 809 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:52,020 um I think a lot of people were holding 810 00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:53,460 on to it because it was such a heavy 811 00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,620 hitter in terms of legal groups 812 00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:58,080 um that they were taking it as their 813 00:27:01,370 --> 00:27:00,179 involvement you know credible that they 814 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,380 were confirm in the bodies and things 815 00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,240 like that but the one thing that's kind 816 00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,039 of you know come come to light for me is 817 00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:07,440 that this Legal Group represents 818 00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:09,240 government employees David is no longer 819 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,919 a government employee so it makes 820 00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,240 complete sense for them to end their 821 00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,159 relationship once that IG complaint has 822 00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,279 been submitted but the gentleman in the 823 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:19,919 legal group who was helping David uh he 824 00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,900 used to be the IG himself and he's 825 00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:23,279 actually stepped away from the legal 826 00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:24,779 firm to carry on representing David 827 00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:26,700 which I think that does lend a certain 828 00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,919 Credence to to you know what what 829 00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:30,240 David's saying and the protection that 830 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:31,559 he needs and the kind of representation 831 00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,140 that he needs this is really serious 832 00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:37,200 this is not just you know some random 833 00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:39,000 dude coming out and kind of saying like 834 00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:41,460 oh I got you know bodies and things that 835 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:43,799 we don't really know about this guy is a 836 00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:46,500 very very qualified individual with a 837 00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:48,840 lot of access and you know if this 838 00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:51,240 former IG is taking it seriously I I 839 00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:53,460 suggest we you know as I always say hold 840 00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:55,140 it lightly but just take it very 841 00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:56,400 seriously 842 00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,500 how have you viewed the media reporting 843 00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:00,480 of this case I know a lot of listeners 844 00:28:05,390 --> 00:28:03,720 in the UK have been in touch to say 845 00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:05,400 you know still nothing about this in the 846 00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,559 UK really I know like I said I was on a 847 00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:09,360 couple of BBC Radio Stations discussing 848 00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,340 it and I know a few others have been as 849 00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:13,679 well and it's touched a few 850 00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:16,620 media Outlets but not in a big big way 851 00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,020 but again I'm still not surprised at 852 00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,120 that that it's not made BBC News at 10 853 00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:24,480 it's not made Sky News ITN ITV News 854 00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:28,860 um Ross Coulter made the point uh about 855 00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:32,400 Anonymous sources being a No-No in the 856 00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:35,820 media world as being a put off for sorry 857 00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:38,039 that's the heat getting to me now being 858 00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,140 detrimental to a big story when you have 859 00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:42,000 to just cite Anonymous sources but he 860 00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:45,559 controversially to some used the talk of 861 00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:49,260 wmds in Iraq ahead of the Iraq War I 862 00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,419 like this yeah he made the point I know 863 00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:53,159 some people didn't like it uh he made 864 00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:55,260 the point and but it's fair that media 865 00:28:59,390 --> 00:28:56,940 Outlets were happy to use anonymous 866 00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:59,400 sources then to push an agenda which 867 00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:01,320 ultimately led to a war and I'm not 868 00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:02,340 going to get into that that's not what 869 00:29:06,169 --> 00:29:04,500 this is about yeah sure but it seems to 870 00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:06,179 be because this time it's about aliens 871 00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,520 and I'm using that very crudely but it 872 00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,559 is and that's the way the media will 873 00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:12,480 look at it aliens really this is what 874 00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:14,340 you're bringing me regardless of the 875 00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:17,220 backing up of it then the anonymous 876 00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:18,899 sources Aren't Enough 877 00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:21,000 um I think Ross has got a fair point 878 00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,440 there and I think you do too but the 879 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:24,899 signs of it yeah yeah absolutely 100 880 00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:27,480 um you know if we can accept these kind 881 00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:30,659 of anonymous Witnesses and and Intel uh 882 00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,460 for something like that that was world 883 00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:33,840 changing and it changed the world for 884 00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:35,820 you know a solid 10 15 years there and 885 00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:37,260 we're still seeing effects of it now 886 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:40,980 then why not for this one it's it's just 887 00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:43,860 as explosive uh no pun intended 888 00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,220 um and the the statements from officials 889 00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:49,200 this week are certainly kind of laying 890 00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,940 into to the right vibe that they're 891 00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,559 going to look into this and this isn't 892 00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:55,440 the first time they've heard it uh so at 893 00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:56,700 the very least we have some officials 894 00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:58,200 taking it in that way but mainstream 895 00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:59,940 media has a big responsibility to just 896 00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,740 report on this properly you know they 897 00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:03,360 don't have to say they believe it they 898 00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,220 just have to present the facts and and 899 00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:06,720 certainly over the last few years the 900 00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:08,820 media has had trouble presenting facts 901 00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,500 without bias 902 00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,240 speaking of presenting facts without 903 00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:14,399 Bayer stand the Vatican were then cited 904 00:30:18,889 --> 00:30:16,740 as having an involvement in the UFO 905 00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:18,899 topic not unsurprising I would say to 906 00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,059 many who have an interest in the UFO 907 00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:23,520 topic um Diana pasulka was on the Jay 908 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:25,620 from Project Unity and she said look 909 00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:27,000 there's going to be different types of 910 00:30:30,289 --> 00:30:28,919 disclosure and I like the point she made 911 00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:30,299 that disclosure will take different 912 00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:33,779 forms it's not just that uh one body or 913 00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,340 governing body is likely to come out and 914 00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:37,200 say we have an at Presence on the planet 915 00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:39,059 we've known about it for years she's 916 00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:40,440 making the point that we're seeing 917 00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:42,419 various disclosures now there's a 918 00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:43,679 military disclosure there'll be 919 00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:45,899 governmental disclosure there'll be that 920 00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,720 religious disclosure and that's with um 921 00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:50,399 she said she'd been in the Vatican 922 00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:52,740 archives and there are tons and tons of 923 00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:56,399 archives going back Millennia showing 924 00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:58,860 a presence of whatever this phenomenon 925 00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:02,159 could be and that the Vatican knows and 926 00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:05,640 have done particularly since 1933 with 927 00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:08,100 the the crash in Italy which makes sense 928 00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:09,539 with the crash being in Italy right 929 00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,799 they're the big Power there it would 930 00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:12,240 make sense that it's a religious lens 931 00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:14,580 and they go that way but the Vatican 932 00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,899 goes way back you know we have all this 933 00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:17,760 religious art with these little you know 934 00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:19,559 ships in the sky put in beams of light 935 00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:22,860 on people and things like that so we we 936 00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:24,299 can't assume that we're the only ones to 937 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:26,700 ever noticed that right and we've spoken 938 00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:28,260 before about you know Britain and they 939 00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:30,059 kind of Conquest over the world that 940 00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:31,620 surely they came across something about 941 00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:32,820 this 942 00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:35,700 um so all of these things point to uh 943 00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,080 you know I like what Diana said about 944 00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:38,880 that needing to be separate disclosures 945 00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,860 because we've spoken before about who 946 00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,960 would be trusted as the de facto person 947 00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:44,399 to kind of say yeah they're here and 948 00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:47,100 this is alien craft not one person so we 949 00:31:50,269 --> 00:31:48,600 need these different areas to come out 950 00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:50,279 and essentially all agree and you know 951 00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,919 make people go oh crap this isn't you 952 00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:54,240 know we're not in Kansas anymore 953 00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,220 everyone is saying the same thing no 954 00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:58,080 matter where you look and the church did 955 00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:59,880 come out a few years ago 956 00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:01,860 um I I want to say the gentleman's name 957 00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:03,720 was guy castigliano I think it was he 958 00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,179 runs an observatory for the Vatican and 959 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:08,700 they had a big Forum meeting essentially 960 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,260 about life outside of the planet and 961 00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,000 they came down on deciding that you know 962 00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:14,399 we're all God's children and life 963 00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:16,020 elsewhere would also be God's children 964 00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:18,899 so essentially it's not a problem for 965 00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:21,240 for Catholicism if there is life 966 00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:22,919 elsewhere and it gets talked about a lot 967 00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:24,539 that it would be but you know that's the 968 00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:27,000 church's position it shouldn't be we I 969 00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:28,200 think we talked about that at the time 970 00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,640 didn't we if that sounds familiar the 971 00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:31,679 name the name at least does yeah 972 00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,340 um and to be fair Ross uh his last big 973 00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,440 statement for me along with Bryce on the 974 00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:39,960 analysis mentioned that there are other 975 00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:41,640 first-hand Witnesses who will be coming 976 00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:43,320 forward who have worked on Crash 977 00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,539 retrieval programs Bryce himself said 978 00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:47,039 we'll leave it at that because we can't 979 00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:49,020 go into it too much more big statement 980 00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:50,820 but for me that's uh yep fair enough 981 00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:53,399 Ross has put his reputation uh on the 982 00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:55,080 line with this one and he is delivering 983 00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:58,380 to be fair to him so I'll I've got no 984 00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:00,840 issue with Ross saying that and yep okay 985 00:33:04,669 --> 00:33:02,760 I'll I'll wait on those Witnesses coming 986 00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:04,679 forward and hopefully that's sooner than 987 00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,820 later 988 00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,559 um yeah anything else from you that 989 00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:10,020 stood out on that it seems that like you 990 00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:11,820 know sometimes 991 00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:13,980 like if you're watching a movie and you 992 00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,720 see a certain scene and it'll make you 993 00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:17,279 kind of ask the question oh well why did 994 00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:19,380 this character do that usually the scene 995 00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:20,760 following it will explain why the 996 00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:22,440 character did that you know it's very 997 00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,299 ABC kind of thing I feel like the 998 00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,159 questions will be in us now we're being 999 00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:28,440 set up to ask so they will be satisfied 1000 00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:29,880 by the next people that come forward 1001 00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:31,320 we'll start hearing from these direct 1002 00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:33,419 Witnesses and Ross isn't the only person 1003 00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:35,220 I've heard this from as well 1004 00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:37,080 um you know I've heard Whispers 1005 00:33:41,389 --> 00:33:38,700 um of people being queued up essentially 1006 00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:41,399 to come forward like a you know a I was 1007 00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:42,600 going to say a house of dominoes then 1008 00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:44,519 but that's not the right analogy 1009 00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:46,200 um but essentially to just you know 1010 00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,940 address these questions one by one and 1011 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,679 and just Shore up the case essentially 1012 00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:51,120 that there is a preponderance of 1013 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,460 evidence that they're just showing we we 1014 00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:54,960 have uh 1015 00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:56,519 a journalist a heavy hits a journalist 1016 00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:58,260 Michael schallenberger he's been 1017 00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:00,600 covering this as well and he's spoken to 1018 00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:02,580 Witnesses separately from grush and you 1019 00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:04,919 know from Ross and Leslie and he's very 1020 00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:06,840 much coming to the same conclusions and 1021 00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,760 he said publicly that he has the program 1022 00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:10,800 names he's been told them but he can't 1023 00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,139 reveal them so we're starting to get 1024 00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:16,080 some more mainstream journalistic uh you 1025 00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,179 know interest in this uh but I think 1026 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:20,220 something like you know grush going on 1027 00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:22,200 Joe Rogan and just taking audience 1028 00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:23,520 questions and you know really being 1029 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:25,619 drilled on this for four hours I I think 1030 00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:28,200 that could be a very nice next step 1031 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:30,659 yeah absolutely um I want to just get to 1032 00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:32,280 a couple of listener thoughts on this 1033 00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:33,960 and loads of people gave us stuff so 1034 00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:34,980 thank you 1035 00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,320 um dalamar put an interesting idea that 1036 00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:38,639 we're at the point where criticism 1037 00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,980 against David grush isn't personal in 1038 00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,240 other words they're not calling him a 1039 00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:44,879 liar but uh he's a decorated public 1040 00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:46,980 servant and that's why sorry so instead 1041 00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:49,320 he's supposedly being fertilized by 1042 00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:51,300 other people unbeknownst to him who are 1043 00:34:54,589 --> 00:34:52,679 presumably all very high level 1044 00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:54,599 government officials so he's getting to 1045 00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:56,580 the idea that the debunking and this 1046 00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:57,960 information is getting to the point 1047 00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,540 because it's so credible he thinks 1048 00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,400 they're having to basically feed lies to 1049 00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:04,200 the people who could be credible to get 1050 00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,580 them to come out and see it and that's 1051 00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:07,200 the only way this could be 1052 00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:09,480 true or you know that he's lying so they 1053 00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:10,859 are interesting 1054 00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,540 um Cameron Jay thinks it's a 1055 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:14,160 well-managed hearsay until we've got 1056 00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:16,020 tangible witness evidence it's only ever 1057 00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:18,599 going to be a spooky story uh Brennan 1058 00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:20,220 said he is stunned at the lack of 1059 00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:21,960 mainstream media picking this up neither 1060 00:35:26,109 --> 00:35:23,700 Congressional open hearings to be public 1061 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,119 and include firsthand what uh first hand 1062 00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:29,040 Witnesses uh dog Outlaw said 1063 00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,720 disappointed but hopeful 1064 00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,880 move on over Great Name by the way my 1065 00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:34,079 phone over 1066 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,940 um my mind is still on agreements I want 1067 00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:37,440 to know about the agreements I need to 1068 00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:39,000 know about the agreements I'm ready to 1069 00:35:44,089 --> 00:35:42,599 unpack it all and uh yeah lots of other 1070 00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:44,099 cool comments on there I'm going to keep 1071 00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:45,900 some of those far down the line but we 1072 00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:47,339 will get to them 1073 00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:49,740 um they'll be a part of three for sure 1074 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,900 well uh yeah kinda because I want to 1075 00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,520 move on to something 1076 00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:55,800 just quickly to touch on at one because 1077 00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:57,660 I've not managed to watch at all yet but 1078 00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,339 two I'd like to do it as a separate 1079 00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:00,960 recovering because I think it probably 1080 00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,520 deserves that 1081 00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:05,520 um Stephen Greer had his disclosure 2.0 1082 00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:07,500 conference on June 12th 1083 00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:08,940 um it was about three hours long I've 1084 00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:10,980 not managed to cover it yet Dan if you 1085 00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:12,780 managed to watch it all so I've watched 1086 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:14,099 some of it but I do have a list of 1087 00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:15,540 highlights that I've kind of pulled 1088 00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:16,260 together 1089 00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:17,520 um okay if you just you know if someone 1090 00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,900 doesn't have three odd hours to watch it 1091 00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,640 these are kind of the main points we'll 1092 00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:21,839 touch on it because I'm going to cover 1093 00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:23,220 it properly 1094 00:36:26,569 --> 00:36:24,900 um so I want to make sure that we do 1095 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,579 that but um I just wanted to say that it 1096 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,260 was interesting to see Richard Dolan 1097 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:30,720 went off on Steven Greer on Jimmy church 1098 00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:33,660 and his own show saying that we need to 1099 00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,359 call out Stephen Greer's BS 1100 00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:38,160 um and it was quite funny to see Jimmy 1101 00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:39,540 Church looking really uncomfortable 1102 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:41,820 because as someone who caught Stephen 1103 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,880 Greer's BS uh for 1104 00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:46,800 for his reasons 1105 00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,780 um so yeah that was that was quite funny 1106 00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,160 to see Jimmy Church kind of still 1107 00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,599 kicking back into his chair is Richard 1108 00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:53,520 dolomit no this is nonsense and he has 1109 00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:56,220 to stop being able to get away with it 1110 00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,200 um yeah what surprised me though with 1111 00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,760 the whole Stephen Curry conference 1112 00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:02,160 everyone said including myself you know 1113 00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:03,720 this is Stephen Curry jumping on the 1114 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,060 bandwagon attaching his name to a big 1115 00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:08,160 situation the David grish story trying 1116 00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:10,980 to get on board the the Kane Blumenthal 1117 00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:13,380 cool talk Wick not that he's part of 1118 00:37:17,170 --> 00:37:14,940 that but he's very much attaching 1119 00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:17,180 himself to it to amplify his story 1120 00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,760 however the the reaction was pretty 1121 00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,520 positive from what more positive than I 1122 00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,920 expected shall I say online 1123 00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:27,839 um a lot of folks who are ready to be 1124 00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:30,119 negative with it you know listeners and 1125 00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:31,619 commentators online that I would respect 1126 00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:33,720 their opinions came forward I mean 1127 00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:36,060 actually it wasn't bad from what they 1128 00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:38,520 saw and that was down to the still a 1129 00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,400 distrust of Greer but the witnesses 1130 00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:44,880 themselves being being pretty credible 1131 00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:47,220 and telling their stories in a very 1132 00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:49,079 credible way as well do you want to just 1133 00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:51,060 touch on some highlights and then we'll 1134 00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:52,680 cover it properly for sure I won't go 1135 00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,660 too in depth but you know by and large 1136 00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:56,400 the the claims are the same as we're 1137 00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:58,859 hearing from elsewhere so uh you know 1138 00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:59,700 we're looking at many different 1139 00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:01,380 civilizations from many different 1140 00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,540 planets not just one 1141 00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:05,640 um the the one controversial thing was 1142 00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:07,380 that uh it was presented that all 1143 00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:08,940 extraterrestrial civilizations are 1144 00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:10,680 non-hostile to humans which you know 1145 00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:12,060 again that kind of goes against and 1146 00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:13,619 we've spoken about that before you know 1147 00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,540 being a generalization 1148 00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:17,160 um that extra threshold Tech has been 1149 00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:19,020 studied by humans and reverse engineered 1150 00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:20,820 and that the breakthroughs in energy and 1151 00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:22,200 things like that from those reverse 1152 00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,660 engineerings are being held back 1153 00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:27,599 um the many different types of UAP are 1154 00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:28,619 human made 1155 00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:30,060 um you know the EM field or 1156 00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,460 electromagnetic field propulsion engines 1157 00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:34,800 that there exists a shadowy group within 1158 00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,540 the US government established in the 50s 1159 00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:38,400 which has its own Air Force Navy on 1160 00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:40,380 fundraiser mechanism 1161 00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:43,079 um that kind of controls this this group 1162 00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,460 has overseeing in legal projects which 1163 00:38:48,730 --> 00:38:46,079 constitute grave threat to National 1164 00:38:52,849 --> 00:38:48,740 Security World security and peace 1165 00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,859 concealing technology and at least one 1166 00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:54,780 of these covert projects has been 1167 00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:57,060 targeted and has targeted and 1168 00:39:01,329 --> 00:38:59,640 successfully downed an ET vehicle and 1169 00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:01,339 that there's a lot in that right because 1170 00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:04,140 do we want if you know assume it's true 1171 00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:06,839 do we want these vehicles being shot at 1172 00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,820 like is that the first foot we want to 1173 00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:10,560 put out as a civilization or do we want 1174 00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,180 to you know roll out the red carpet and 1175 00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:13,680 make some cakes and have a party you 1176 00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,240 know sure um 1177 00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,760 and that that shadowy group um have 1178 00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:19,380 committed major crimes against humanity 1179 00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,420 worldwide including robbery trees and 1180 00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:23,280 mass murder torture kidnapping abduction 1181 00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:25,560 embezzlement laundary funds surveillance 1182 00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:28,140 false imprisonment so a lot of it is 1183 00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:30,300 stuff that we've heard before 1184 00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:31,800 and it's stuff that kind of backs what 1185 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,440 someone like grush is saying as well 1186 00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:35,760 um you know there was nothing really 1187 00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:37,320 there for me that kind of rocked the 1188 00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:38,940 boat in a big way except for that one 1189 00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,980 that says they're all non-hostile to 1190 00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,660 humans which 1191 00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:45,119 just just by statistics alone is just 1192 00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:46,920 not going to be true right yeah it's a 1193 00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:49,260 sweeping statement but uh as much to say 1194 00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:51,060 that they would all be hostile again you 1195 00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:52,680 couldn't say either way could you that's 1196 00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:55,320 exactly yeah and like with humans some 1197 00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,760 of us are hostile and some of us are 1198 00:40:02,870 --> 00:39:59,040 nice you know it's even within the the 1199 00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:02,880 species there there's a variation sure 1200 00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,320 um so yeah that'll be one I think that's 1201 00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,480 best to cover hopefully next week in in 1202 00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,400 proper form and we'll dig into the the 1203 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:10,079 witnesses stories as well for example 1204 00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:12,420 Michael Herrera talks about an instant 1205 00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:14,820 in Indonesia 2009 but he says he saw 1206 00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:17,160 ammunition and guns being loaded onto 1207 00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:19,560 Flying Saucer essentially Stephen Greer 1208 00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:21,060 presented this as 1209 00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:23,220 quite flippantly I thought and this is 1210 00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,359 something we'll go into when we look at 1211 00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:25,440 it properly 1212 00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:26,700 um you know oh one of our back 1213 00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:29,339 engineered objects as if like oh yeah I 1214 00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,020 know this for a fact and that kind of 1215 00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:34,560 stuff I was like ah shush it's also 1216 00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:36,780 funny to kind of use uh you know an F-18 1217 00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,579 to transport bow and arrows there's an 1218 00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:41,280 eye really there right 100 like when 1219 00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:42,780 people point at a light in the sky and 1220 00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,680 go oh tr3b from the Palladium Galaxy you 1221 00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:48,000 don't know that 1222 00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,040 um something a few people ask this Dan 1223 00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:51,599 to touch on because we hadn't and it 1224 00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:53,700 wasn't through any kind of 1225 00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:55,800 I don't know not liking the story as 1226 00:40:59,930 --> 00:40:57,780 such but was the Las Vegas UFO thing 1227 00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,940 that kind of took the World by storm 1228 00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,200 last week 1229 00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:03,359 um if people haven't seen this story I'm 1230 00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:06,540 sure many of you have the cops were 1231 00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:08,579 called sorry the police and cops it's 1232 00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:09,780 just I'm reading the article here as I 1233 00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,880 say this um but potentially yeah the 1234 00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:13,440 poor poor the fuzz depending on where 1235 00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:14,820 you are in the world yeah the police 1236 00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:17,220 Service as affectionately known in many 1237 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,180 areas 1238 00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:20,280 um hi to any serving officers 1239 00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,420 um could you make a listening to this on 1240 00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:23,940 duty who knows maybe yeah but um anyway 1241 00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:26,520 so uh a family basically called the 1242 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:29,099 police to say we have um two aliens in 1243 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,320 our back Garden the dispatch calls 1244 00:41:36,589 --> 00:41:32,880 available online and they're very much 1245 00:41:37,849 --> 00:41:36,599 like yeah sure you know like um but 1246 00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:37,859 they're like no no this isn't a joke 1247 00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,240 seriously we've got like kind of eight 1248 00:41:43,609 --> 00:41:41,040 foot ten foot tall beings big black eyes 1249 00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,619 as you would expect and so they sent a 1250 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:45,599 couple of police officers out 1251 00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:48,780 um who couldn't find any evidence of 1252 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,140 aliens but there then was uh a screen 1253 00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:54,960 capture as a civil online but also the 1254 00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,540 video of a flash in the sky going past 1255 00:42:01,730 --> 00:42:00,240 later on they talked about that uh an 1256 00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:01,740 object to crash in their back Garden 1257 00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,260 there's a you know a picture of the kid 1258 00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:06,780 who reported this standing next to this 1259 00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:09,300 kind of circle but I know many folks 1260 00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:10,500 have said he literally looks like he's 1261 00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,180 made it with his foot and traced it 1262 00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:13,920 round in a circle 1263 00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:16,800 for me the story was interesting it came 1264 00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:19,500 at a convenient time again though 1265 00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:21,480 but I I think that's me being skeptical 1266 00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:24,599 to be honest which is you know unlike me 1267 00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:27,060 um Gavin what was being talked about in 1268 00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,980 the mainstream media that oh look our 1269 00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,420 families had aliens land in our back 1270 00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:32,640 Garden in Vegas so either like I said 1271 00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,020 online it was the start of the movie 1272 00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:36,079 Signs actually happening 1273 00:42:42,109 --> 00:42:40,200 too yeah or it was someone maybe taking 1274 00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:42,119 advantage of the situation 1275 00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:44,040 and maybe I'm being a little bit biased 1276 00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,020 but I did read at the time quite quickly 1277 00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,720 that the kid had a kind of uh defunct 1278 00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:51,000 YouTube channel that talked about aliens 1279 00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:53,940 and nfts which suddenly when he put out 1280 00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,460 his own piece on that got loads of views 1281 00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:59,280 so great piece of idle marketing if 1282 00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:00,660 that's the case 1283 00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:03,180 um but I just don't think there was 1284 00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:06,180 enough to this 1285 00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:08,099 either way for me to really land on 1286 00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:09,000 anything 1287 00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:09,599 um 1288 00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:11,460 I don't know people like James Fox came 1289 00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,839 out and said no this is almost 1290 00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,119 definitely a hoax when you look at it 1291 00:43:18,349 --> 00:43:17,040 um I really struggled in the body cam 1292 00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:18,359 footage would have been a big thing for 1293 00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:20,220 me not the body cam footage surely they 1294 00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:22,740 they said they had filmed the aliens as 1295 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,180 they were in the back Garden so you see 1296 00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,680 some of the adults that go with it going 1297 00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:27,119 yeah they're there behind the forklift 1298 00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:31,079 and and such I couldn't see anything on 1299 00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:33,480 those cameras even when they're circling 1300 00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,099 the points I'm meant to be looking at 1301 00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,200 Dan I don't know about you I could make 1302 00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:39,839 out nothing yeah same and and many 1303 00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:41,099 people will look at it and kind of you 1304 00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:42,780 know adjust the video and get some 1305 00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,940 shadows and say that that the shadow is 1306 00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:46,680 you know the the aliens 1307 00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,420 um being in this part of the world I've 1308 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:50,160 seen a whole bunch of bears and I've 1309 00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,900 only managed to capture one on film and 1310 00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:53,339 it was very briefly and you kind of see 1311 00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,839 him in the woods but I manage the 1312 00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:56,460 bathroom you know he's clearly there you 1313 00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:59,099 can see him so you know there's no real 1314 00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:01,319 reason that uh you know an alien will be 1315 00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:02,700 more skittish than a bear that wants to 1316 00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:04,500 get out of your way and hide 1317 00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:06,540 um so yeah it was strange I've seen a 1318 00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,740 number of people have sent me like a 1319 00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,599 fake video of like this 1320 00:44:14,210 --> 00:44:11,520 gangly being crawling around a back 1321 00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:14,220 garden with the audio attached um so you 1322 00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,420 know the footage is getting out there is 1323 00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,520 like this legit thing and that that is a 1324 00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,440 construct you know the the being with 1325 00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:21,119 the audio over the top that that's not a 1326 00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:22,440 real video 1327 00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,339 um 1328 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,440 I was traveling as all this came out so 1329 00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:26,880 I kind of literally saw the initial 1330 00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:28,500 thing and the end thing with James fox 1331 00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:31,079 saying you know that's probably a hoax 1332 00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:33,060 um but it's being followed up I'm pretty 1333 00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,400 sure I read the the police are putting 1334 00:44:38,270 --> 00:44:36,960 cameras in the people's Gardens who 1335 00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:38,280 reported it just in case these things 1336 00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:39,900 come back reminded me a lot of the 1337 00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:41,579 Virginia case you know this is what it 1338 00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:42,720 would look like if it happened in 1339 00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,520 somewhere like La 1340 00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:47,280 um you know pick up that way but NASA 1341 00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:49,260 said the The Flash that the kids saw in 1342 00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,000 the sky and film that that's actually a 1343 00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,560 meteor and it looks like a meteor as 1344 00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:54,480 well and the two things coincided so you 1345 00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,339 know people have conflated especially 1346 00:45:00,050 --> 00:44:58,319 the witness has conflated the two the 1347 00:45:01,309 --> 00:45:00,060 thing about the circle people have gone 1348 00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:01,319 onto Google Maps and found that that 1349 00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:03,240 Circle was there going way back so you 1350 00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:05,160 know the kid can't kind of blame that on 1351 00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,000 yeah whatever came down and yeah I mean 1352 00:45:13,309 --> 00:45:11,280 it's interesting timing I've seen people 1353 00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,319 say that it kind of undercuts David 1354 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:15,359 Rush's claims and distracts from it you 1355 00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:16,140 know 1356 00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:17,700 um but also at the same time I don't 1357 00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,460 really see how Saiyan aliens are here is 1358 00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:22,079 a distraction from what grush was saying 1359 00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:23,579 it's kind of bolstering his story in a 1360 00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:25,740 lot of ways you know so yeah that can 1361 00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:27,420 kind of sit on the back burner 1362 00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,740 um it's just another one of these cases 1363 00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,480 that we probably will never get solved 1364 00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:32,400 right um and it's unfortunate but this 1365 00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:33,900 is why we have a number of tendrils 1366 00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:35,160 going in different directions at the 1367 00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:35,940 moment 1368 00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:37,980 um with people like project Galileo 1369 00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:40,500 doing their work and and arrow and NASA 1370 00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:41,819 doing theirs 1371 00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:44,280 um we we need multiple sources and what 1372 00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,900 Diana said about multiple places for 1373 00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:47,640 disclosure Rings kind of true you know 1374 00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:50,040 they will make sense yeah so ahead of 1375 00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:51,960 that being followed up on next week uh 1376 00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,579 sorry the Stephen Curry conference in 1377 00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,680 full if you've got any thoughts opinions 1378 00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:57,599 on any of the the stories told the 1379 00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:59,099 anecdotes or just a conference in 1380 00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,480 general let us know if that'd be great 1381 00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:02,339 we'll cover off any other stories that 1382 00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,380 happen within that week given the pace 1383 00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:06,720 of news breaking at the moment it'll 1384 00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:08,280 certainly be worth a few other things 1385 00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:10,440 worth talking about anyway as well sorry 1386 00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:12,900 Dan yeah absolutely I wanted to say to 1387 00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:14,700 you like we always talk about how the 1388 00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:16,140 mainstream media kind of there's so much 1389 00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:17,579 going on in politics that they'll often 1390 00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,260 use stories to almost distract from 1391 00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:21,119 certain things whereas this week we had 1392 00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,640 Trump's second indictment and gracious 1393 00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,440 story is still kind of stayed at the 1394 00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,880 Forefront and and I thought that was an 1395 00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,560 interesting change you know it's almost 1396 00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:30,240 getting to the point where Johnny and 1397 00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,680 Amber would have their work out in court 1398 00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:33,359 to keep those ratings as high as they 1399 00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:34,740 did 1400 00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:36,540 um depending on what part of the world 1401 00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,480 you're in yeah sure that's fair and the 1402 00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:41,280 UK we have still got an infinite number 1403 00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:42,900 of things that have taken over the the 1404 00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:45,480 news cycle from that but it's it's still 1405 00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:46,680 progress It's still been better than 1406 00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:49,740 what it was and for me it still stands 1407 00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:50,700 to reason 1408 00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,980 the the strength of what David grush has 1409 00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,480 done and those have helped him get his 1410 00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:56,040 story out there will be what happens 1411 00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,740 next and not necessarily from him at all 1412 00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,260 his part in this could almost be be done 1413 00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,880 and finished now yeah that's what 1414 00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:04,319 happens with what he's handed on to 1415 00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,180 Congress and then going into the summer 1416 00:47:10,609 --> 00:47:08,400 the The Whistleblower 1417 00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:10,619 um the whistleblowers or Witnesses for 1418 00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:13,380 Stephen Bassett coming forward and uh I 1419 00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,440 only hope and pray that the Congress is 1420 00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:18,359 air conditioned for them 1421 00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:20,579 um or may God have mercy on their souls 1422 00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,359 then 1423 00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,280 yeah absolutely 1424 00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:25,800 um would you like a chat GPT joke I saw 1425 00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:27,060 someone complain that I didn't include 1426 00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,740 one last time so just just one person 1427 00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:31,280 though yeah you can finish 1428 00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:34,980 chat GPT job yeah 1429 00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:40,250 um 1430 00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:41,460 don't know 1431 00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:44,099 to get to the other Starbucks 1432 00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:46,140 oh I like that one yeah I thought you 1433 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,180 would yeah okay I'm happy with that 1434 00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:51,240 thanks folks that is all for this week's 1435 00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:52,859 show thank you very much for listening 1436 00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:55,140 please remember to leave the podcast a 1437 00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:57,660 review on your chosen platform you can 1438 00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,180 like retweet And subscribe that would 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